Valor General Discussion

[Bo Problem]

Well hello everybody, how is everyone doing today on this fine thursday? I see there is a kerfuffle going on here, I'm not going to get involved in it but it would be great if someone could fill me in on what has happened in the last few days.

[Hardcastle]

boproblem said:

Well hello everybody, how is everyone doing today on this fine thursday? I see there is a kerfuffle going on here, I'm not going to get involved in it but it would be great if someone could fill me in on what has happened in the last few days.

Hey Bo! Things are going great on this end. At this moment, nothing has really transpired over the past few days. Zmaster and myself are attempting to replenish the roster and get this fed back up and running full steam ahead. Shouldnt take too long. Stay patient, and things will get back to normal. Glad to you see you around!

[Bo Problem]

I can safely say that I am looking forward to Slam. hopefully Bo Problem can have his debut match

[Hardcastle]

boproblem said:

I can safely say that I am looking forward to Slam. hopefully Bo Problem can have his debut match

Rest assured, Bo Problem will make a debut on the next Slam.

[TAFKA Cyaneyed]

I'd like to make this post as means of explanation for my departure. I dont want words put in my mouth and I dont want to be seen as a villain. So please just take this in, dont consider it as flaming or spam, because it is not meant as such.

I first heard of this fed way back when I was running ExWA. We had a few n00bs in the fed, and like all n00bs, some of them decided to make their own fed. One of these was Immune. Immune at the time was in RP terms a jobber. I was forced to leave my fed for a time and (in what would become a trend, not that there is any heat remaining) Bruce decided to close it and take it to one of his boards, where his coowner was...Immune. That fed, as expected, sucked, but also succeeded in sucking the life out of my fed while i was away. Not that my members deserted and went there, most were uninterested in the place, but shows werent put up in ExWA and I pretty much came to a fed in far worse straights than what you are experiencing here.

Immune branched off and started his own fed (this one) and advertised it on my board. So I didn't follow the link when it was advertised in my fed, I deleted it (as I am sure you can appreciate). He took to advertising, and didnt win any matches, so he disappeared.

A while later (I am not good with dates on this), Pohatu was going on about a thing called YLC. At the time I was in JWA and didn't really have interest in any other feds. He did mention Bruce being here and that in the end the owner faced himself for the cup. Suffice to say, that was enough to put me off.

Down the line some more and I had no fed affiliation for about 6 months. My good friends Jakub and Simon showed me VWA. The place looked perfect at this point. I looked at the turnouts and they were decent. The level of RPing was good for making a new character. I was warned again and again though, dont trust management. So that is why I made a new character, and didnt keep Corpse; I was wary of being screwed around.

In fact I was shown RP's and asked to judge winners for months beforehand, and always picked the wrong ones. Little did I know the owner was the one winning those matches (nor did the opponents I would assume).

Feds where owners give themselves the earth go nowhere, fast. I cant comprehend why anyone would be interested in YLC 06 knowing the final of the last one culminated in the owner facing himself. I sound like Im flaming, but again, I am just being open and letting you know what my impressions were/are.

When I created my first RP, I immediately had a problem, in that Immune didnt like it. Well, Immune was not someone I felt the need to kneel before, admin or no admin. So I addressed it and was given hassle for it. Fair enough?

Kyzer/Seth then took the time to talk to me on MSN about it and basically said what I'd been thinking. He also mentioned dissention in management, but he mapped out a good angle for me and I was enthusiastic. I wanted to be a part of VWA and I was loving the experience.

Then whatever happened, happened. I dont know why he quit, but he did. That meant none of my storyline would play out. My character was treated to summarised results and didnt even get his name spelt right. Now I know you were left carrying the ball and I appreciate that. Im not complaining about the length of results. However it is extremely hard to carry on writing a character when you have nothing whatsoever to go on. The whole thing drained my character's future.

I told Seth the day he left that I wouldnt be able to RP. He told me he'd left so I came here and announced it. To which I was told I was to be booked anyway, and that the card wasnt changing. Apparently Seth left you no notes, yet, you felt it important to maintain his booked matches so that you didnt mess anything up. Quite stupid when you know I wont be able to show, and that you can put someone who will RP in, have a decent match, some competition, and possibly even start an angle moving. Instead you stuck your feet in the mud, hands on hips and pouted because you couldnt get chocolate. You took an 'I will sort it tomorrow' attitude (ie we will sort out the state of the fed after the ppv). Why you took that negative approach I dont know. Probably to get out of having to write a whole match. But I do know that I dont need to be in a fed where my character is screwed over in a match even when I give advance warning that I cant RP, and there is a willing substitute. Let's not forget you didnt even put my name on the card until the day before I posted my absence note.

So basically my main reason is that I dont want to be screwed over. In deleting myself I severed ties with the fed, taking my underutilised intellectual property where ever I might, and allowing your fictional character 'Cyancyed' (I believe that was your spelling) to be dicked around without it meaning a thing to me.

In all truth, I dont have anything against VWA, I dont have anything against you, and I probably have been given a biased view on you and this place. There are good people here. And to be honest I fear for them. Why? If a guy making extremely good RP's in his second language 'isnt very good' in your eyes, if your idea of a main event includes yourself or (not wanting to put your name out there but it does seem to be a trend) Bruce, then people are never going to get anywhere. I dont know what your idea of merit is, but when you are looking for new members, if I was new to the game, and I saw the mistreatment of talent here, I would take my 3 liners elsewhere, because your management would get me nowhere.

If I am wrong about you, then I apologise, feel free to rebuff my comments (by PM if it must be that way, but I have nothing to hide here), if there is a hint of anger in this post it is simply because you insulted a good friend of mine.

I dont hold grudges online, that is for children. If this post annoys you, pisses you off, or makes you click delete, then you just prove everything Im lead to believe right.

I hope your fed is succesful. Sorry to Bruce for mentioning you here a couple of times, both our 'incidents' are in the past, I merely mentioned them to help get my points across.

Sorry if this post is waffle, it's 1am and I'm tired.

[Bailey]

Whoo...this place has changed in my absence. People leaving (like me), and coming back (like me). Weird huh? For those who don't know, or care, I'm the Bret Hart guy. Hopefully I'm not returning too late. But hey, better late than never.

By the way, who's Bruce? And what's this about the owner facing himself in the YLC 05? Whatever has fallen by the way side with this fed, you can all blame me. That's right. I was a major part of Valor before the shit house fell all over me and I had to do an impromptu David Copperfield. The rest of the management team scrambled to cover my slack ass. I was supposed to be back over a month ago, but things still weren't as back to normal for me as I thought. So now I come back, and I see the e-fed world still goes on. The same problems have plagued e-fedding since the early days. Unhappy participants, uneven scheduling, disappearances (cough, cough), mutiny, etc. Same words, different tune. So hopefully we can all move forward now, and bring Valor back to the luster that it once was. ;D

[Hardcastle]

Cynaeyed......


...I appreciate you taking the mature road and expressing your grievances in an adult fashion. Though, I am little confused in regards to some of your remarks. I dont know if its because you were misinformed or because I misinterpreted some of them. But I'll try and address some of your grievances.

Valor is different from other feds on the net. Rewind to about 10 years ago and Valor ran the same way every other fed ran. We all looked for the same qualities in rps. Valor is looking for who can write the best "wrestling promo". Having extensive detail and talking about things that are irrelevant towards your character and story line are not pluses. I am not saying that your character shouldnt have a life or he shouldnt do/act/talk about things other than your match or feud. But I am saying that if half your rp is concerned with some fan in a restaurant or some historical fact in your character's life or whatever the case, its too much. Its overkill. Tell a story.....no problem. Adding personal things is a good thing. However, rambling on and on about it, is not. The reader is being bored and is getting lost.

I dont know who warned you about management and frankly, at this point its irrelevant. I dont know if it was me specific, Bruce or Immune or Bailey. All I can say is we put together a fair administration board, so that no man had too much power.

YLC 05 did not feature the owner facing himself. YLC 05 featured Quickenbosh vs. Castle. Yes, both characters were rped by 2 owners, but we judge fairly. Regardless, of who wins or who loses, as long as a fair outcome comes about. Other than the final match, all admins 95% of the time unanimously agreed on all decisions. Both Immune and Bailey also had characters in the tournament, but neither made the finals. And neither of them cried or bitched. Honestly though, since we run the fed, we dont have to justify the decision making. I am not trying to be an ass to you or anyone else. But you dont question your bosses' decision making at work, do you? If he tells you to do one job and some other guy to do another, you dont tell him he is wrong and you should be doing something completely different. In the real world, you would probably be fired or at least reprimanded. Same applies here. Who runs this prison? The wardens or the inmates? Also, in the Valor rules it says not to bitch about results. It also explains how rps are critiqued. All this information was available from the beginning. We did not hide this from you.

If Immune didnt like you rp, it was Immune's opinion. He is only 1 vote on the admin. board. I am sorry to say I dont recall your first rp, as I was probably away when you originally joined.

If Kyzer put together a good angle for you.....thats great. He must have saw something in you. All I can say, is that I was not told what was going on. When Kyzer left, the fed was stunned with his departure, among many others. Our first priority was to get through this PPV and start over. The fed always remains the top priority. No character.....not Hardcastle, Bailey, Zmaster or anyone else is held above it. In fact, Bailey and Z will both back me up in saying the World Title is the most important title. No angle. No story. No nothing is going to sacrafice the honor with which that title holds. When I won the title, my fellow 3 admins unanimously agreed that I should be champion. It was my time. Bailey had an awesome run as champion, but for that one time....I was better than he was and he was gracious to put me over. There will come a day that someone is better than me and I will act in accordance. For those who think otherwise, Valor has existed for 13 years. Eric Hardcastle won his FIRST World Title in 2005. I dont see how anyone can accuse bias here.

If your name was misspelled, I apologize. As I said before, we were trying to repackage the company. It isnt the first time this has happened and it wont be the last. Mass exoduses happen. If you got lost in the shuffle, it was nothing personal and I hope you can see that now. Everyone was lost in the shuffle.

In regards to your advance warning, I cant honestly argue. Perhaps, it was handled poorly. Whats done is done. I cant undo it. Though, I can try in the future to do a better job of handling it. I am not perfect.

In reference to Method Cobra......I cant argue that. He was phenomenal rping in a second language. Lets face it....English isnt the easiest language to learn. But again, Method Cobra came in right after I left. I dont think I even got to book any of his matches. Kyzer, Z and Immune did all of that. He had another character before that, and yes he lost 2 matches ( I think or maybe 1). But again, that was the decision of the admin. board. I dont feel Method Cobra ever gave Valor a fair chance. Then again, I was gone from late Jan. and most of Feb.

Finally, the one thing that I would like to point out to everyone who has over the past few weeks bitched, complain or insulted me personally, I implore you to check the facts. Dont take bias opinions and assume they are facts. No one contacted me via PM and attempted to handle a grievance, many instead just SPAMMED this board and acted like little children. In all my mistakes that I have made over the last few weeks, I accept full responsibility. But let me also remind you that my father died less than 3 months ago. There isnt a day that goes by that I dont think about it and miss him terribly. If I screwed up a story or misspelled your name or pissed you off, I'm sorry. I guess I am not 100% still. I offered to forfeit the title, in order to do what is best for the fed, back in December. But my fellow admins. refused to let me do it. Bailey and Z were very supportive and felt I deserved to have that title until someone could take it from me.

To those who decided to spam the shit out of Valor and do nothing but insult my integrity, I guess you dont understand what happened to me or you just dont care. I hope to God, you dont have to deal with what I have to deal with for many, many, many years. A part of me is gone and I will never get it back. I never asked for it......I guess I thought some of you would have a little more decency in yourselves than to fling insults about. I'm sorry I gave you that much credit. I have learned quite a bit over the last few weeks when it comes to my fellow human beings. Some people are just not good people. There just isnt good in them. Its sad, really.

[mrflaps]

Your misunderstanding the point, the second post I made never insulted you once I just asked you to explain your actions but you didn’t even take the time to read it. First post I made, again, I did not insult you, I swore, but I did not insult you. Why did I over use the word f*ck then? Simply because you said to me once that when Sin City Saint did it, it got your attention. I insulted you over AIM, I think I called you a communist or something when you just kept giving me the same answer. I don’t actually think anyone insult you that badly, Shadow said Cecil got screwed worse then Bret Hart, Kyzer asked you to explain yourself and expressed how he had a right to have answers and I asked you questions that you decided to ignore. Never once did anyone call you an a$$shole or any other insult so please don’t turn a genuine attempt for answers into a personal attack. I think the worst you got insulted was myself saying you’re a bad owner and RP’er. .

I’ll be honest, there is a reason I don’t like you as a person that’s based on the one thing I know about you. But I’ve been asked not to comment on that and I’ve stood to my word, I’ve never once gone around insulting you for that. I have told people you’re a average RP’er and bad owner but again, no insult on a personal level.

The big question is still left open though, the one that started the entire mess, how did Cecil win a title match with his RP’s and not be given the belt? That’s the one question a lot of people wanted answering, to put it in perspective, if your at work and the boss says it’s important that we do this, if you say why they will explain it a lot of the time so you know what your doing and why, plus it’s the only way for that person to learn how things work in the terms of promotion. But, this isn’t a work place, this is a hobby people do for fun and you need people to stay and play it or it won’t exist, so whilst I can understanding cutting out arguments, fights, spam and insulting, you have to understand that you have a responsibility to them and part of that includes answering their questions. Even if they don’t like the answer, they are owed one, your not paying them, they are donating their time to you for free so it’s not a question of ‘get on with it because I said so’.

Stop thinking that because I don’t particularly like you means I’m automatically biased, I look out for efedders I speak to and get along with and that’s all I’m trying to do. If I was doing this because I didn’t like you I wouldn’t write it out logically and politely, I’d just spam the boards with random insults aimed at you. You only got real insults from me when you decided to bullsh*t every answer to me on AIM by just saying ‘yup’ or saying I had no respect for ZMaster by quizzing you about it. I’ll give you some credit for answering Cynaeyed’s questions, I might not agree with the answers, but you gave them and that is all that’s being asked. Give a reason for the Cecil thing and regardless of the answer you’d get a lot more respect from people if you did.

[Hardcastle]

Flaps....

........I cant believe I am gonna do this, but if its gonna squash this whole damn thing, then fine. Cecil didnt win the match b/c as an administration board, he was out rped. You can have your opinion. Rev. can have his. Bottom line, neither of you are on the admin. board. So its not your decision. I spoke to Cecil on this and he said he had no real issue with the decision that was made. Irregardless, I dont feel that I should have to justify OUR decision to the roster, let alone someone who is not in Valor.

I have chosen to remain silent, because I dont want the board spammed. Zmaster convinced me that addressing the issue might put an end to it. So for the betterment of the fed, I am doing so. You have a right to your opinion, Flaps. To be honest with you, a year ago, I thought very highly of you. Then I began to slowly lose my respect for you until it was completely bled dried. I always thought we had a mutual respect/dislike for one another and we could leave well enough alone. I never went to WFWF and spammed the boards. I never made insulting posts or posts challenging your decision making. Yet, you felt the need to do it here at Valor. I thought we had an understanding. Evidently, I was wrong.

You're reasoning for not liking me as a person.....I think I know what you are talking about. I know she is your friend. I know she has known you a lot longer than I have. But dont get facts misconstrued. She sought out my advice and I gave it to her. I dont find certain topics to be taboo. I talk about them openly and freely. She originally came to me b/c in my rps I was quoting bible verses and thought I had a religious side to me, which I do. But I dont bible thump. I dont know if she told you something or whether you decided to fabricate it on your own. All I can say is....remember why Kyzer originally hated me? Facts were misconstrued and someone that I was a stalker. Dont believe everything you hear.

I do have a responsibility to my rpers. And I feel that I live up to it. But you blame me like I made this decision 100% on my own. And that is simply not the case. We have an admin. board here at Valor. That board makes decision on matches. We even discuss the results if one person does not agree with the majority. But to be honest, this wasnt one we needed to discuss.

I never said you didnt have respect for Zmaster b/c you were quizzing me. I said you had no respect for Z, b/c you spammed his board. This was something that could have been handled via IMs. You started spamming first. Also, why is that Flaps....owner of WFWF is questioning these items and not Reverend Shadow? Why is it people decided to become gutless and hightail it out, instead of trying to work within the system? Why is it that only Flaps has a voice and not the rest of them? A simple PM. A simple IM. Something personal or even a group chat. Dont spam the boards. Dirty laundry needs to be aired in private and not in front of people. There is a time and place. General Discussion board doesnt fit either category.

Flaps, I hope this squashes it. I am unblocking my IMs now and if you want a follow up, seek me out there. I want this issue to die. I dont want to have a war with you. Its not worth it. I just want you to go your way and I'll go mine. Dont come here and question how Valor does things and I wont do that to you. Lets each pretend the other does not exist and move forward.

[TAFKA Cyaneyed]

Thanks for understanding my points. I hope there are no hard feelings on this. I respect the job you're doing here. Just be aware I'm an individual, I'm not part of an exoddus (I closed that fed j/k), I explained my reasons. Other peoples grievances don't apply to me.

Maybe when a few more moons have passed, I might work here again.

If this were a real life situation I would offer my hand to shake about now.

[Hardcastle]

deathlock said:

Thanks for understanding my points. I hope there are no hard feelings on this. I respect the job you're doing here. Just be aware I'm an individual, I'm not part of an exoddus (I closed that fed j/k), I explained my reasons. Other peoples grievances don't apply to me.

Maybe when a few more moons have passed, I might work here again.

If this were a real life situation I would offer my hand to shake about now.

And I would gladly accept it.

[Justin Tyme-Can You Feel It?!?]

I can see that this isn't going anywhere anytime soon so I'm gonna take this time to declare that I am not going to be checking Valor for a while because I have other things to do. I would say i'm taking a leave of abscence but in order to take a leave of absecence, something has to be happening and it's not. i'm not necissarily quitting, I'm just going to take a little bit of time off. Hardcastle, if you get things fired up again then you can catch me on AIM and let me know because until this thing starts rolling again, i'm going to stop paying attention

your JHW champion that you can be proud of
Justin Tyme

[*~Lydia~*]

My computer crashed recently, but as I can see nothing has changed in Valor lately.

[Hardcastle]

lydia said:

My computer crashed recently, but as I can see nothing has changed in Valor lately.

Unfortunately, we are still in the midst or recruiting. If you check maybe once a week, it will give you a better idea of what is going on. We are getting close though. I have made contact with a few people that will be coming aboard shortly. I just want to make sure we have enough people to get started again.

[Justin Tyme-Can You Feel It?!?]

Tyme Out with Justin Tyme can be downloaded here: rapidshare.de/files/16737356/TOwJT4.wmv.html