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Post by Bailey on Oct 24, 2005 17:20:37 GMT -5
Bailey, that's where RoH comes into play.  Where does ROH come into play? The pure wrestling? I can accept that, but they've been making some poor decisions recently. They've lost some good talent (Not talking about Joe or Punk) due to mis-management. Hoepfully they'll keep the belt on someone to help build its prestige back up. After that Joe/Austin Aries/CM Punk/Gibson switcharoo they pulled within a 6 month time period, I thought they were about to fuck up like the rest. |
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Post by The eXtremist on Oct 24, 2005 17:20:45 GMT -5
ROH isn't any better either. No idea how to develop a character. The only real "heel" there is probably Jimmy Rave, other than that, all the heels are still cheered for anyways. They still need better video angle's, stop with the sucky graphics, get a bigger investor, and stop with the stupid backstage idea's [Like removing Jimmy Bower from announcer to Office Lackey, WTF?].
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Post by Hardcastle on Oct 24, 2005 18:13:53 GMT -5
I'm gonna chime in here. Cuz all you TNA marks need to shut your holes!! ;D TNA is not as good as it was. TNA has done nothing but go right into the toilet ever since they lost their FSN deal. Absolutely nothing but tank. Here's how I see it:
1. AJ Styles is the man of TNA. He is the face of TNA. Period, end of story. Putting the title on Jeff Jarrett, not a bad move. Not a bad move at all. In fact, it was pretty smart. Starting the Spike deal with a credible and way over heel champ is smart. Gives people a reason to watch. Jarrett is one of the very few non WWE rejects. He walked away from WWE, not the other way around. Jarrett is not my favorite wrestler by any means, but he adds credibility. The issue I have with the World Title is what they did after the fact. Instead of booking Aj Styles, the face of TNA, to chase after the title.......he gets put into a repeat angle with Christopher Daniels?! WHY?!??! AJ Styles should be chasing after Jarrett. He should be pursuing the title. Jarrett with his band of heels vs. AJ.....a lone warrior. Gee.....I believe in that angle so much, I am doing it in Valor with Hardcastle and The Impact Players. It makes sense. Its a ratings grabber. People want AJ Styles to be champion. Have him chase Jarrett. Build a climatic end, add some drama and have AJ take the title and establish a new era in TNA with a long title reign.
2. In no way, shape or form should Jushin "Thunder" Liger be jobbing out to Samoa Joe in his first match in the US in how many years?! Liger is a major star! He is huge in Japan and a pioneer of the X Division. Furthermore, Samoa Joe should have have been his opponent. I would rather have seen Liger vs. Daniels. That match would have been phenomenal. What a great way to kick start Liger in TNA. Instead, you waste the talent like ROH did with Jimmy Yang. Don't get me wrong, I don't think Liger should go over every top TNA star, but his first match he should have been shown the courtesy of being booked over his opponent. An eventual loss to Samoa Joe would have been good booking. TNA forgot how to build drama. Then again, TNA has no idea on the concept of drama.
3. Last night's Ultimate X was pathetic. All 3 athletes are phenomenal in their own right, but Matt Bentley has been jobbed out left and right, over and over. Bentley is a GOLD MINE!!! Money in the bank. Phenomenal work ethic and not just an X division wrestler. Bentley is in the same class of AJ and Daniels....he is ready for a bigger role. Damn, NWA Cyberspace can realize it, why can't TNA? Bentley has not even been elevated to the higher ecleon of the X Division, when he should be competiting for top billing. He certainly isnt ready to carry the ball.......but lets just say he is better than some of the current crop of main eventers, including; Lance Hoyt, Monty Brown, Kip James, Konnan, BG James, AMW, Dudleys, should I continue?
4. Rhyno is not TNA Champion material, not yet at least. Booked 3 times last night?! Not Rhyno's fault. This is the TNA creative's fault. First off, Nash should never........evvvvveeeeerrrr been booked to face Jarrett. We already saw this match a few months ago. Enough. Next thing you know, DDP will return to side with Nash and they will face off against Jarrett and Monty Brown. Wait....we saw that already. Thats TNA's M/O......lets just rehash the same matches for last month's PPV. Iron Match with Styles and Daniels. World title match with Jarrett and Nash. Booking Nash was your first mistake. Your second was booking Rhyno to win. Rhyno lacks the charisma to carry the ball. Rhyno is a great guy, I have met him before. But he just isn't in that upper echleon that a Jarrett, Styles, Daniels, etc. are in. Sorry Rhyno, mid card status is the best you should be attaining.
5. Making Daniels AJ's bitch is bad booking. Both are phenomenal talents. But Daniels is treated like he is a second class citizen. Thats crap.
6. Make the X Division a true focal point of the show. Dont just make it dirt under the boots of the main event. Taking ROH talent is a fantastic idea......don't book them on the pre show and waste their talent. Aries, Strong, Joe, Sanin, Daniels.....these are the guys who should be contedning for the X Division title. The main players, throw in Petey Williams and Sonjay Dutt and you got something going here. Make the X Division fast paced and fun to watch. You got the workers. Stop boring me with the same old same old.
7. Can someone in TNA get a little creative? Can someone learn to build drama? Does anyone have any idea how to book a show?
8. Stop pushing Monty Green.....err Brown. He is awful. I'm sorry, but the guy is way to green. Not to mention stop pushing 3 Live Kru....they just plain suck. Stop pushing Lance Hoyt.....b/c he wishes he is Test. Stop pushing The Dudleys......they are not as good as everyone thinks they are.
9. Stop pushing every WWE reject. Rhyno, Dudleys, Nash, Raven. Enough is enough. Create your own stars, you have the talent to do it. Guys like Joe and Aries are established on the indys, but general WWE and TNA guys really have no idea who they are. Lets see: Samoa Joe, Austin Aries, Strong, Sabin, BENTLEY, Petey....those are a list of guys that you can turn into huge stars! You dont need the Dudleys. You dont need Raven. You dont need Nash or Hall or Randy Savage?! What a waste of money to bring Savage in. Why dont you go try booking the Ultimate Warrior now? Or maybe someone can dig up Andre The Giant and book him?
10. Why have you not signed Kazarian? Why have you not signed Shannon Moore? Why didn't you do whatever it took to get Jericho in TNA?! How could you screw up the relationship with guys like Vampiro and CM Punk, so bad that neither ever want to work for TNA again?!
11. Why do you consider ROH the only place to get talent?! There is a place called Chikara just flooding over with amazing talent!!! Quackenbush, Chris Hero, Cannon, CLAUDIO, Jigsaw, Akuma, etc. The X Division would be phenomenal. Give me Styles vs. Quack. Give me Hero vs. Joe. Give me Cannon vs. Daniels. Give me Claudio vs. bentley. Give me Jigsaw vs. Petey. Go get this phenomenal talent!!!!
In closing, TNA has phenomenal athletes. Horrible booking. In no way, shape or form, is TNA creative better than WWE. Its not. The booking is awful. WWE at least has something they can hang their hats on. It aint a whole lot, but its something. Edge/Hardy was amazing. Flair/HHH is being done nicely. They have something at least. They lack the ability to let loose. Which makes WWE's matches not as good. But WWE can build drama and they can build story. That you cannot take away from them.
ROH.....well, they took have gone right into the toilet. Once Punk left, they haven't done anything but trade the ROH Title around from one guy to the next. The ROH title means dick now. Danielson is a great worker, but he has about as much charisma as a bucket of moneky piss.
The most exciting promotion on the planet today is Chikara, bar none. For a measely $10 ticket, you will get 3-4 hrs. of some of the most phenomenal athletic displays you can find. If you haven't seen Chikara, you are missing out. Stories lack a little depth. But they do have a little of something for everyone. Lucha libre, pureosau, chain wrestling, hard hitting and there is even comedy as well. There is no ulta violent hardcore, but I dont really consider that TRUE wrestling anyway. I enjoy it, dont get me wrong. But I dont consider it pro wrestling. I had fun writing this. Maybe I will post a weekly column of tidbits and rants each week and you guys can talk about it there. This board is more for Valor General Discussion.
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Post by pohatu on Oct 24, 2005 18:26:23 GMT -5
The main thing that stuck out like a sore thumb in there is...
'Lance Hoyt wants to be Test.'
WRONG! Lance Hoyt is what Test COULD'VE become had WWE not watered him down so much. Hoyt has the charisma that Test couldn't achieve. AJ and Daniels? Pah, Daniels won the ECWA Super 8 Cup...TWICE! I'm sure AJ was in there, so he was somebody's bitch.
I don't feel like doing a full fledged rant, so fuck you all and good night.
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Post by pohatu on Oct 24, 2005 18:28:37 GMT -5
Oh, and one more thing: Before this TNA PPV, Jushin Lyger was last in America at RoH's Weekend of Thunder event, which was late 2004.
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Post by Bailey on Oct 24, 2005 18:39:47 GMT -5
The main thing that stuck out like a sore thumb in there is... 'Lance Hoyt wants to be Test.' WRONG! Lance Hoyt is what Test COULD'VE become had WWE not watered him down so much. Hoyt has the charisma that Test couldn't achieve. AJ and Daniels? Pah, Daniels won the ECWA Super 8 Cup...TWICE! I'm sure AJ was in there, so he was somebody's bitch. I don't feel like doing a full fledged rant, so f**k you all and good night. I'd be willing to bet that if Test came to TNA, they would job Hoyt to him and make Test a champion. Guaranteed. Jushin Liger is a wrestling GOD, but only purists would know that. So TNA banked on what the slobbering masses know. Can't argue that logic. I like Raven...I think he has a deep character (when it's used right.), and I enjoyed him as champ in ECW. TNA tried to make him a face, and it didn't pan out too well. Raven is a heel hands down. He's miserable, and makes people around him miserable. Sound like a heel to me. I think Bentley should be pushed, but for some reason I think Traci is holding him back. I don't know why. Maybe TNA is jealous he has a valet? Maybe they don't like that he has a connection with HBK? Who knows. I just think it was dumb for him to make such a big impact return, pick the match he made famous, and then lose the way he did. Not cool. Finally, I'm just glad people agree with me on The Naturals. They only got pushed because of Chris Candido, God rest his soul, and that's the truth. I'm not a fan of AMW by any means, but I'd rather see them holding the titles than you know who. |
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Post by Hardcastle on Oct 24, 2005 18:48:19 GMT -5
Oh, and one more thing: Before this TNA PPV, Jushin Lyger was last in America at RoH's Weekend of Thunder event, which was late 2004. Oh one more thing: Before you mentioned that....I didn't give a fuck. If I cared all that much, I would have looked it up. You completely lost sight of what I was trying to say. Lance Hoyt is not charismatc. Lance Hoyt is pathetic and people in Orlando feel sorry for him. If TNA toured and they measured his fan approval cross country......people would actually think he WAS TEST! Regardless of what Daniels did in another promotion against AJ is irrelevent. I'm talking TNA. In TNA, Daniels is AJ's bitch. Raven is a great heel and is completely misused. Orlando cannot be the only place you put shows on, you will never know what the fans really want. I see the same people at each TNA show. They do not represent the majority, then again, neither do I. |
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Post by The eXtremist on Oct 24, 2005 18:51:59 GMT -5
I don't think Traci holds him back. If anything it makes him work. We need more female valets that can do some damage at ringside, and Traci is just it. I always defend the "WWE Reject" statement with this - It doesn't matter how much of a reject they are, but all that matters is that they can still go. Rhino, Dudleyz, Raven, Hardy, all can still go. No one dares mentions that Styles used to be a WWE Jobber four years ago, now he's the Indy Scapegoat.
I'm siding with everyone. Hardcastle, Bailey, and Pohatu. TNA IS the major force in wrestling. But theirs these little things they need to take care and stop making things so obvious. Their wrestling is the best in the world, better than anything WWE can even imagine doing. But they need to get storylines together, make a bold statement about heel and face alignments. Since when did Bentley go face? How did Rhino go from Heel, to tweener, to face all in three hours without any explanation?
But one problem Hardcastle, Edge/Hardy was NOT amazing. It was Edge bitching Hardy the whole time, and I couldn't be any happier that Sell-Out Hardy got what he deserved, and now he can be Christian's Jobbing buddy on SD!.
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Post by Hardcastle on Oct 24, 2005 18:54:11 GMT -5
This thread is now locked. Please continue to discussion under the main board "Color Commentary". This will be unlocked and ready for Halloween Horrors Discussion in a day or so.
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